Misconceptions of Male Abstinence and the Ejaculation Hypothesis

by Matt Savage

Apparently, members of the notorious image board known as 4chan are now quitting the act of fapping.  My god… what is the world cumming to!?!  And, it seems to all be revolving around the post I wrote a few months ago called, The Effects of Male Masturbation on Attracting Women.

In the last week or so there have been multiple threads on the 4chan board /r9k/ where some of the guys are experimenting with the “7 Day Abstinence Cycle” which I discuss in the article as an effective way of taking advantage of your body’s peak testosterone levels along with other advantages controlled by the central nervous system in order to help attract women.  Of course, with most discussions on the Internet, it is ripe with debate including the usual fan boys, trolls, and detractors.

After reading through some of the threads, there are a few questions and criticisms from the brobots that I’d like to discuss as a follow up to the original male masturbation post.

The Magic Pill

First, abstaining from ejaculation is NOT a means to an end.  If you happen to go seven full days without masturbating, there will be no buxom blond genie that appears out of thin air and bangs the shit out of you. My friends, this is not a magic pill solution, it is merely one tool in the grand scheme of the overall attraction process.  For example, residing yourself to your mother’s basement for seven days straight isn’t going to do much of anything, regardless of your fapping habits.  You still need to make an effort to go out, meet and interact with women.

The Placebo Effect

There are some that say that this whole seven day cycle nonsense is merely a placebo effect. Basically, indicating that the seven day cycle has no effects on your body and that the only reason that someone would have positive results is because their belief in it tricked them into getting the results they wanted.

Well, I’m not a scientist, so yea, maybe this whole thing is bullshit.  However, I did point out in my original article at least three sources of research published in respectable scientific journals which do indicate there is some merit to the seven day abstinence cycle.  They include:

Also, for the sake of argument, lets say that it is a placebo effect.  If someone is getting the results they desire, i.e. – attracting more women into their life, then who the hell cares what the cause is?!  If a placebo is going to aid me in shagging that hottie at the end of the bar, then I could care less, the result is still the same.

To a scientist this may sound like sacrilege, but I’m not a scientist, I just want to get laid.

The Seven Day Cycle


Some people are taking the seven day cycle too strictly and/or confusing it.  In the original article I try to explain that seven days of abstinence is needed to reach your peak in testosterone, because on day seven testosterone production spikes 147%.  Now this does not mean that you can or should masturbate on day seven. In fact, if you are following the seven day cycle, you shouldn’t masturbate until AFTER day 7 in order to get the full effects.  It would be even more beneficial, in my opinion, to wait until 10 days, so as to give you three days of testosterone pumping horny male motivation.

So why even masturbate at all?  Well, hopefully if you are getting laid, then you shouldn’t have to.  However, in the event that you aren’t getting any action, it is still helpful to masturbate from time to time as to release tension and to remind your body that you are or want to be sexually active.  For example, some people have reported that extended time periods (more than a month) of no ejaculation had severely lowered their sex drive as to not wanting to masturbate or pursue sexual intercourse at all.

Testosterone and Dopamine

Then there are some people who are focusing too much on the testosterone discussion.  Increased testosterone by itself is not going to attract women.  It’s what testosterone does for your body that will help you to attract women.  And yes, there are other ways to increase testosterone levels other than abstinence, like regular exercise or a healthier diet for example.

Also, keep in mind the third study that I cited regarding dopamine depletion.  In that study, it showed that men who were excessively depleted of their dopamine levels through ejaculation had shown signs of depression, irritability and social anxiety.  So guys that have chronic masturbatory regimes, wanking-off multiple times per day every day, are likely depleting their dopamine which contributes to their depression, anxiety and anti-social behaviors.

Don’t Whack It Until You’ve Tried It

There are some things in life that we either do not have the resources or knowledge to test for ourselves, this is not one of them.  This experiment is something that every male with a little will power can try.  So before you cast doubt, why not just give it a go?  Not jerking off for seven days isn’t going to kill you, so what’s the harm?  Give it a shot, observe what happens, then reassess if it is for you or not.

“Its not that masturbating is bad for you, its just that sex is a biological imperative. Everything you do is ultimately to get fucked.  So if you’re jerking it all the time your body is in ‘I’m getting it all the time, might as well not even try’ mode.”

- Anonymous

Tips for Abstaining from Masturbation

For those willing to try this out, I will tell you that it is difficult the first 2-3 days, but it can be done, especially if you put up road blocks to help prevent the urge.  Here are a few tips that have helped me:

  • If you have a porn folder on your computer, get rid of it. You don’t have to delete it permanently, just move it to a flash drive and put it somewhere inconvenient to access.
  • If you go to any regular pron sites on the web like RedTube, YouPorn or xHamster then add blocks to those sites on your browser. I know you can simply remove the blocks if you get super horny but it helps to keep you from spontaneously cumbursting
  • Exercise.  When you get the urge to fap, do some push-ups or go for a run.  I’ve noticed that regular exercise somehow helps to relieve the horniness
  • Only go to bed when you are tired and ready to fall asleep.  Don’t watch TV in bed.   If you are just laying there doing nothing, then one thing is bound to lead to the other…
  • When all else fails, turn to Courage Wolf…

Courage Wolf on Masturbation

{ 44 comments… read them below or add one }

peice May 1, 2009 at 9:55 pm

Wow, you follow 4chan threads?! That site is filled with all sorts of goodiness! Excellent post. Definitely don’t knock it until you try it. I didn’t know that dopamine was such an important chemical regarding sociability… learned something new!

Matt Savage May 4, 2009 at 10:57 am

@peice,

No, I don’t really follow 4chan at all. I’ve visited the site in the past out of curiosity and though there is certainly some humorous threads, it’s not really my cup of tea, except when my articles are being discussed.

David Black May 11, 2009 at 9:24 pm

Ceiling cat is making me feel very uncomfortable indeed :)

Seriously though, as they say you should try everything once. The biggest thing for guys to remember is to get out into the real world and meet women. Like you said “If you happen to go seven full days without masturbating, there will be no buxom blond genie that appears out of thin air and bangs the shit out of you”

In the end, when it it comes to the crunch, it does not matter how may days you go with out masturbation as long as you are getting out into the real world and meeting women then it really does not matter.

David

PeruPUA June 3, 2009 at 11:05 am

I did this for a couple months instead of 7 days. And let me tell you, my ass was out almost everyday trying to get laid. It can work.

Alex June 7, 2009 at 10:36 pm

What about 4o days and 40 nights? I think that’s the biggest challenge for a man to take it. Me thinks I’ll explode from not masturbating for that long.

Matt Savage June 9, 2009 at 9:44 am

@ Alex,

Yea, 40 days would be a challenge and probably a good romantic comedy. Realistically though, I think it’s important to have the ejaculatory stimulus weekly or bi-weekly in order to remind your nervous system that you are still sexually active. It seems to be a bit of a balancing act which is why I go with the seven day cycle.

Alex June 10, 2009 at 9:46 pm

Man, I just can’t live a day without bursting this out. :)

Dave July 12, 2009 at 12:01 pm

Been doing the 7 day cycle and I am noticing major changes. I have way more energy and confidence. Most importantly, I got 3 numbers this week because I am putting myself out there more. This nature’s way of moving you toward women and women really respond to the attention!

cd July 23, 2009 at 9:17 pm

Where u gone mate? No posts in too long.

Matt Savage July 24, 2009 at 10:25 am

@cd,

Hey man, I’m still around, just haven’t been too inspired to write anything lately… er loonnnggg time:) Trying to figure out what to do with this blog, not sure if I want to continue.

Regardless, I have some more recent stuff on the Online Dating Paradox if you’re really dying to read my stuff:)

virginat50 February 17, 2010 at 1:34 pm

As an experiment, I once stopped masturbating. After three weeks, I developed a prostate infection. The doctor told me that the prostate needs to be regularly emptied, otherwise it becomes congested and increases the risk that bacteria will accumulate. Obviously, not everyone is prone to getting prostate infections, but I now happily masturbate per doctor’s orders.

Matt Savage February 17, 2010 at 10:26 pm

@Virginat50,
I’ve actually heard of a few research studies where it stated in general that men who have higher ejaculation levels also have lower risks of prostrate cancer. Actually, now that I think about it, it was kind of all over the media for a week or so several years ago, and I remember every dude on the Internet proclaiming that he was just doing his job to fight cancer.

Now, I don’t know much about the correlation between ejaculation and prostrate issues, but I’d like to raise a few thoughts:

First, the prostrate research never really says anything about masturbation, just ejaculation, so obviously the ideal situation would be to actually have sexual intercourse with a woman on a regular basis… while at the same time fighting cancer :)

Second, I never advocated abstaining from ejaculation for more than two weeks, in fact, in my previous post, I theorize that a 7 day masturbation/ejaculation cycle is the most optimal, because you give your body time to let it hit peak testosterone levels and after that you then ejaculate to keep things from getting too backed up, thus starting a new cycle. Though hopefully you wouldn’t need to masturbate by that 7th or 8th day because you’ll have gotten laid… that’s the theory of course :)

JRSun76 April 27, 2010 at 5:37 am

Good quality threads. Good work on bringing this issue the attention it deserves, it should help a lot of men.

Matt April 28, 2010 at 4:58 pm

I used to masterbate quite often. However over the past year I stopped after reading that an increase after 7 days and also more important after the 30th day testosterone increase was dramatic. What is amazing about my story is that my grades improve due to an increase in concentration, my body (with the help of exercise) became cut and huge, and I ultimately gained more self control and respect. If you have questions email me. It was priceless to see my ex girlfriend after a year. I couldn’t give a fuck about her because I knew I could get any girl.

isabella April 29, 2010 at 4:02 pm

very interesting! you can always masturbate and not bring yourself to ejaculation….don’t think i’d want to be with a guy who only wanted to ejaculate every 7, let alone every 30 days tho, no matter how incredible the testosterone level….most definitely notice and LOVE the explosive ejaculation tho that you get if you wait a few days in between….. delightful as it shoots and drips everywhere……still not willing to wait more than a few days even for that!

Matt Hannagen November 7, 2010 at 9:41 pm

your insane to not masturbate its what you do as a substitute for when your not having sex!!!!!!!!

Cage March 27, 2011 at 1:58 am

7 days? OK, I’ll give it a try. I’d say your observations and conclusions and on target, and you deserve credit for being mindful about masturbation. Divorced and currently without a girlfriend, I’ve been letting it control me too much lately. My self-discipline as a writer has suffered. Your posts are helpful. By the way, the kitten is funny. And the wolf very cool. Like you say, 7 days ain’t gonna kill me.

Anthony April 20, 2011 at 3:07 am

I have had depression in the past, and I know that a cheap thrill by masturbating & having sex would have changed my state and be eurphoic again, reality is though i have found more decipline, more ability to concentrate and more happier when abstaining from masturbation and after a week. I was less likely to feel depressed or down, actually with more sexual drive and more active in general, more motivation. Its hard at first when masturbating was the daily habit.

Roy | Cruisesurfingz May 19, 2011 at 8:33 pm

I read once that people with a tendency towards depression actually feel worse after masturbating. But that could be cause & effect – they could have been doing it not because they were horny but because they were lonely.

I’m going to try this 7 day challenge :D

Stoner With a Boner May 30, 2011 at 12:34 pm

well, here’s an article you might find interesting:

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/07/why-masturbation-helps-procreation.html?obref=obinsite

Granted, this talks more about sperm motility and reproductive fitness and I think you are suggesting higher levels of testosterone/frustration will increase your likelyhood of approaching/meeting women…

Ronaldo June 12, 2011 at 8:26 am

I fap every day and use my imagination to the maximum. I feel 100% healthy and I would never use any formula advertized by others. I find that the more I fap the better looking I become and also more attractive to others. Enjoy yourselves and fay away.

stash June 12, 2011 at 5:55 pm

excellent thread and comments. good to hear about others’ experiences on this topic.

I’ve cut down noticeably over the past 3 weeks and want to keep it like that. I felt things were getting out of hand (or not, as it were) for a while. I was also reading that, if viewed as an addiction, masturbation is *the* most addictive form there can be: it releases natural opioids in your brain — i.e. superior to heroin, which is an external opiate. pretty crazy to think of it like that.

also find I’m more confident with women :)

Mike June 26, 2011 at 11:58 pm

I stopped masturbating 9 years ago and it’s great. I was able to do it because I had a great sex partner. She also did not masturbate. Most people have no idea what it is to be free from the viscous cycle of masturbation. Nor can they comprehend the benefits of being free from it. The cycle can be broken by replacing it with the real thing. You’ll realize then that not only is masturbation a huge waste of time , but also undermines your potential enjoyment of real sex as much as anything you could ever do. When the cycle is broken forever, you don’t obsses that you haven’t played with yourself for 3 days. Rather such a thing seems lame and ridiculous and the only suitable satisfaction for your desire is real sex with a real person. Then, even though your desire is stronger, your impulsiveness is less. You become less needy and at the same time more cabable of giving and recieving pkeasure. The reason our so called “sex doctors” give such lame advice is that they need to be helped themselves before they can help someone else. They resort to a pitiful substitute for the real thing and then advise others to do the same. One commentor says: “your insane to not masturbate its what you do as a substitute for when your not having sex!!!!!!!! ” Really? Ever wonder why you’re not having sex?

d July 21, 2011 at 2:24 am

This kinda runs counter a theory that has served me well; the hot-streak / cold-streak theory.

My theory goes that I am MUCH more likely to pull if I pulled the night or week before.

Case in point, earlier this year I went home with a stunning Indian girl on a Friday night. She was in town for the weekend only. ‘She left her ear rings at my place’ so arranged to meet me at a club to return them on the Saturday night. I thought I would play it cool and go hang with mates until I heard from her, rather than message her (and then take my time finding the club). While hanging with mates I get talking to hot Chinese girl and go home with her instead.

Another example would be only a few weeks ago. I had been suffering a winter cold streak (SH). A mate starts tapping into a girl with a grenade friend. I sit on the grenade. Isolate her from her mate, flirt with her etc. Things go well for the wing man, and next thing I release I no longer have a wing man and my chances of scoring a decent girl this night have just gone down. At the same time the grenade is getting touchy and I am slowly getting sucked into the grenade event horizon from which it is difficult to make a smooth exit from. I think what the hell, paper bag it, and have a good night. Following two weekends my fortunes suddenly change.

So the theory goes that girls have a 6th sense which allows them to tell if your sexually active or not. Masturbation doesn’t seem to interfere with this sense. No matter how smooth you try and be, if its been a few months it seems more difficult to score than if you got it last night. Girls just seem to come to you when your in that hot streak.

This seems to be a force more powerful than simple testosterone. If testosterone was so great I would ask ya how come juice head roid ragers are so unattractive to girls. I certainly have never heard a story of a guy taking testosterone enhancers and suddenly finding girls hanging off him.

So I’ll stick to my theory, if I want to tap into mystical pheromones I’ll just slay a dragon in order to reach the princess.

Savage December 17, 2011 at 1:17 am

Great 2 articles man! Also “Savage”? Last name? If so, it’s only to be expected that a Savage would write such great articles! I to am a Savage. Haha thanks again tho man for doing the research. Gonna try it out.

T January 4, 2012 at 10:46 pm

Although this is a very interesting point Savage, I have also found d’s post to be very valid. I have experienced the hot-streak/cold-streak theory first hand, and I must say that there is an undeniable force with just having been “freshly f0cked” that women seem to just pick up on. It’s like having a bleeding thumb in a shark pit..

Tim February 29, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Matt,
This idea of an optimal 7 day cycle for male sexuality is very interesting. This may be the explanation for the 7 day week, which as far as we know originated in pre-jewish traditions in mesopotamia, along with the 30 day month (based on the lunar cycle and female menses). Ancient people might have made the same observation you have made and that the scientific study determined, that seven days of abstinence results in increased motivation and productivity for males, and better chances of having sex at the end of their abstinence. They might have practiced a 7 day cycle of sexual activity and even attributed that cycle to their masculine conception of god, which led to the 7 day creation myth. Most people think the creation myth led to the 7 day week that we have preserved, but there may be an underlying biological cause for that myth, which was known in ancient cultures and which is now being re-discovered, thanks in part to this forum. You might immediately think that sexuality and religion wouldn’t be connected this way in judeo christian traditions but human sexuality was not a taboo subject in the west until St Augustine introduced manichaean beliefs about how evil sex is into christian dogma. It would be ironic if we men have been going about our 7 day week for the last millenium thinking that we were observing a religious calendar when in fact it was a way for ancient mesopotamians to keep a lid on their masturbation so they could have better chances of getting laid.

paul April 19, 2012 at 12:31 pm

good lesson thanks

JOHN June 27, 2012 at 4:06 pm

Background: Heterosexual Adult Male, mid 30′s

Hypothesis: Something to the effect of male ejaculation is not needed, or abstain as long as possible.

Theorem: You will ejaculate no matter what. Remember Queen Mabb. The longest I have ever been able to go without ejaculating is approximately; 3 weeks.

You have to sleep sometime, and your subconscious will have you mating in REM sleep.

Thesis: It is better to control the outcome, rather than soil something when, or that, you do not actually want to.

Gazza August 5, 2012 at 5:40 pm

I’m on my 6th day. I have wanked prolly 10-20 times today and with some strange force of willpower stopped before shooting. I agree with all of ur theories, u think the same as I and it’s what motivated me to try it in the first place and what has brought me to this website, but I’m so fcking strung out that I can’t want to just SMASH SOMEONE’S EFFING FACE IN, cos.. of too much testosterone and I’m not sure women would find me attractive right now. I’m sure that ppl produce T at faster rates than others and I’m not sure the 7 day cycle is for everyone. I think I produce more than average – my daily wank record is 14, anyone beat that? I think my cycle would be better at 5 days……….

OneOfThoseDudes August 21, 2012 at 10:45 pm

“spontaneously cumbursting”

Incredible. Great article.

TheCareBearB January 19, 2013 at 7:09 pm

- There’s a theory that jacking off before you go out will leave some semen on your body that will emit odor. This may then travel up the nostrils of women you are picking up.
The women will thus be aroused by the odor. Of course, unconscious of the odor. Now I expect one can’t practice this and the loaded gun theory concurrently. Though even if true, it may not give you a good enough edge with women to be worth practising.

- The loaded gun seems to have merit, by the research you linked.
But I wonder if it’s a more complex mechanism that’s behind it than just the orgasm.
Why? We have erections several times each night during REM sleep. The phase where we dream the most, or at all.
One could maybe expect that the body would fulfil its sexual needs with a wet dream during this phase?
My point is – Wet dreams, is it negligible to the Loaded gun theory(E.g. REM orgasm does not have the same effect as a normal orgasm) or/and not frequent enough to matter? Maybe a wet dream becomes more probable on the end of a loaded gun cycle? Implying that nocturnal emission have an actual function in balancing some bodily mechanism.

TheCareBearB January 19, 2013 at 7:17 pm

^*Used the wrong theory name here.
I meant the one you promoted.

tony February 27, 2013 at 12:56 am

I just wanted to say that I wholeheartedly believe in this stuff. Haven’t been trying it for very long but i did have some strange periods of 4-6 days over the summer where i didn’t whack off and I hooked up with girls when going to the bars. I don’t know what it is but I feel like when I haven’t masturbated girls kinda give me “the look”. It’s like they can read your sexual energy or something. And when it comes to motivation in pursuing women it literally is impeccable when abstaining from masturbating.

Pouya Vafaeian March 19, 2013 at 8:33 am

Helo!
Great article, I’ve been doing this stuff for a while and I just love it, have come to the same conclusions myself. THe Chinese sex taoist gurus said the same things (stuff I’ve been searching for)

Anyway would just like to correct a common misunderstanding, the non ejaculating for 7 days article says: “On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline

This means the testosterone reached 147% of baseline, which is an increase of 47% not 147%, as far as I interpret it.

Sincerely Pouya

Ben March 21, 2013 at 2:21 pm

i relapsed on tuesday now am back on track coz i wish 2 release thro wet dreams?

Jason March 24, 2013 at 4:58 pm

If this works so well I have a question for you Matt Savage. When’s the last time you got laid?

chris May 26, 2013 at 1:27 pm

Once you masterbate after the seven days it is very hard to get back into the no masterbation routine. I go saturday to saturday and I have to spend sunday resting to recover. On sundays I feel woosy and spaced out. eg spend saturday night as my porn night :(

chris May 26, 2013 at 1:34 pm

What I meant was I have the compulsion to masterbate several times on the 7th day and not just the one time which makes me feel tired the next day.

chris July 1, 2013 at 9:01 am

stop jerking off, it increases your motivation to study

if you want to become a doctor, you’re not gonna get there by sitting in your room jerking off your 2″ pecker.

Andrei Petunin September 11, 2013 at 4:09 am

Haha, awesome info dude.

None Frapper October 16, 2013 at 4:46 pm

Background:
Male. Age 36. Divorced, Kids with ex. Decided to stop frapping to get the girl I like, by releasing the “animal”.

Not cumming for three months now. First month had amazing effects. Now bit less. I often think of sex and i have a feeling similar to cumming, but without cumming. Bit surreal.
Generally I am not willing to go back to old ways, as this is easy to do and can do this later. Girl I wanted is checking me out, but i became so arrogant that I almost requested that she becomes my slave.

Now what worries me is the way forward. I no longer have erectins at night, i do not have wet dreams (and did not have them). I have fantastic dreams that i remember. Still no sexual apetite, and the girl i want – i can wait.

The issue is that i am stuck in the no exit zone.

ANytone in the same position? Its been three months, but I am going for one year for sure, and after that maybe even seven or ten years. I do not mind.

One more thing… I read somewhere that after one year i cannot cum, as it will blow my penis off, literally.

Anyone with the same / different experiences? Three months and over pls.

Wayne February 3, 2014 at 9:11 pm

Hi i just want to share my story here incase there are someone that have similar experience with me,,,I’am a heavy porn user since 14 and im 22 now at the age of 21 i suffer from porn induce erectile dysfunction well because of heavy porn and almost 5x a day of masturbation,and until i discover my erectile dysfunction (you know how really bad it feel’s when the love of ur life just leave because you can perform ur duty as a man) now back to the story, after i discovered it,, i came up with my own rehabilitation ,, where i abstained for 3 weeks no Porn,Masturbation and Orgasm (I feel like shit on that straight week) then i resume my masturbation on the last day of the week but i just focus on the feeling, no porn vids or fantasies in my head i just focus on the feeling whenever there are some that pops in my head i just think of a green wall and focus back on the feeling and after that i abstain again for 2 weeks and back on MB on the lastday of the week,,i just cycle it again and again but dont MB twice or more within a week u will really have a badtime(anxiety panic attack depression) ,,and walla! erectile dysfunction is gone,,more confidence specially around girls,,i become more witty, clear mind and shit this da best sex drive has sky rocketed with out being agressive sexually,,,sorry for bad english not really fluent with language,,,hope it helps :-)

Wayne February 3, 2014 at 9:23 pm

And please dont abstaine too much,,1 mo of abstinence makes you really shitty and it flactuates your sex drive up/down ,,why suffer from 1 method when there are other method that has similar effect but doesn’t cut off the natural that is inside us,,,,,Masturbation is not bad ,,the bad is u masturbate uncontrollably and please,,, STOP WATCHING PORN!!!!,,,

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