Over the summer I had been emailing back and forth with Dave M., the famed online pick up artist. He was testing out some of his new products he was working on with a hand full of seduction bloggers in the scene, myself being one of them.
One thing he sent me to test was a simple technique called the recon profile. It basically shows you how to setup an opposite gender reconnaissance profile on an online dating site as a means to find the best solution for you to attract women online.
So, being the adventurous kind of guy that I am, I gave his little technique a try and I must say, the information gathered was certainly eye opening.
My site of choice would be the Plenty of Fish dating site. It’s free and it’s one of the largest dating sites on the internet, so I was sure to get a good sampling for my own test.
Instead of having to rewrite the whole experience again, I’m going to post a copy of the email I sent Dave after first creating my own recon profile on PlentyofFish.com:
As you can see, the results I received happened in a matter of a half hour. Over the course of the next day I ended up getting over 60 email messages in my Plenty of Fish inbox – that’s three pages worth of shitty emails from sleazy dudes that I had to sift through just to find the gold material!
Just to prove it, here’s a screen shot of my inbox after a full day of having this profile up:
What did I get out of this whole recon profile experiment? Well, my first big realization was that though the quantity of competition is extremely high in the online dating world (particularly on PlentyofFish.com), the quality of that same competition is extremely low. Thus, with a little bit of effort it wouldn’t take someone very long to figure out how to have massive amounts of success in any online dating site.
You might be wondering why I’m posting all this now when I started this over the summer. The reason is that Dave M. is now releasing step by step videos on this whole recon profile strategy and I believe some other good stuff too, so be sure to check them out.
Also, since conducting this little experiment, I have been messing around more and more on PlentyofFish and surprise surprise, even got myself some pretty solid dates out of the whole thing. I’ve also been chronicling my findings on another separate blog I’ve been keeping called Plenty of Fish Dating Tips. Check it out when you get a chance.
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So the point of this project is to see how much girls get attention on online dating sites?
Hopefully that was correct.
I think its a great experiment so you really know how easy it is to stand out from the crowd and so on.
Anyways love your posts, as always
Hot Approach Coach
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I think it will be good to give you guys some background as to what you are up against
I’ve done this a few times and you can have a little fun as well. Want to know the age range that a 70 year old married women gets when she seeks a partner because her husband can’t get it up anymore? 18-75. It’s also interesting to see how few responses you can get, my personal best was a woman, married with children who wanted to move in with a guy (and with her children) when she left her current partner. I just got a few offers for sex, that’s it, although one nice guy said I needed to change my advert. My experiences are the same as yours – most initial responses to an advert are one liners (the old shotgun method – shoot at as many targets and you’ll be bound to hit something) with about 1/4 of all initial messages being what I’d call quality messages. Apparently, the best way to get a reply is to ask a question, although of course picking the appropriate question (and the ideal length of your message) are guesswork.
Hot Alpha Female,
Yes, you are correct that is the basic gist of the experiment. It’s really to show guys how different it is for women in the online dating scene and how they can use that information to tweak their own online dating strategy:)
John,
Thanks for sharing your experiences in doing this. It’s funny that you setup a profile for a 70 year old married woman! Not sure what that is gonna get for you, but it’s interesting that guys still emailed her.
I love your dating adventures!!
Is it REALLY like this?
I never dated much, and never used an online matchmaking service other than the free love@aol circa 1997. A male friend said to me the other day it was “because guys know when to lock-down the good ones”
I must say WOW!
I might try this, just for fun, even tho I am happily married. Why not? I’m entitled to some ego stroking. (Also, it appears you get ROSES!)
Hahaha… This is sad, but… I would do it except that a) it’s irrelevant to me, and b) I’m not sure I’d feel it meets my personal ethical standards.
Actually, I used POF and found the person I was looking for on my first search. So yeah, I don’t need any special methods.
“most initial responses to an advert are one liners”
Really? Interesting… Well, I favorited the one person I thought worth my time, and she favorited me back. So I sent her a one-liner. But it was almost a selfless thing. Her beautiful self-description reminded me of my favorite novel, so I asked if she had read it. I didn’t think she’d be interested in me, at all, so I asked the question thinking we’d have nothing else to say to each other and that I just wanted to introduce her to a beautiful book.
“Apparently, the best way to get a reply is to ask a question, although of course picking the appropriate question (and the ideal length of your message) are guesswork.”
Ha! That’s interesting because that’s exactly what I did. And I’ll boldly say that I did ask the right question. And she responded by answering my question thoughtfully and then asking me an interesting question. Then she wanted to play a game of hitting random questions back and forth. Ridiculously long e-mails, followed by ridiculously long instant message conversations and finally phone. It’s long-distance.
Oh, and I couldn’t be bothered to write a message to anyone else. I tried, but it felt totally wrong, contrived. I wasn’t even interested in this other person. I don’t do fickle relationships.
Reflecting on this experience, I suppose that what others still looking might get out of it is: ask questions. Ask interesting questions. The girl I met shares an interest with me in learning, which is quite fortunate. Don’t you just want to LEARN about the person you’re interested in? In the end, I am thinking of this whole thing as a learning experience. If we ever declare a “relationship”? Who cares? We have the opportunity to learn so much, unconditionally.
@ Louche
I agree that you should learn about the other person and make it a whole experience but I believe this part is best done in person when you actually get the real life date. The problem trying to connect online is that the odds are against you. You have girls getting 50-100 messages a day and any interest that you generate must be acted upon quickly, lest she lose interest, so time is also against you. This is why the above method is simply a tool for getting the date, NOT for creating a relationship. Once you meet her in real life it’s up to you to create that dynamic connection.
You are certainly lucky that you found someone on your first try, it is not most men’s experience. May I ask how your relationship is going with her now?
You’re the man! You must have a lot of girls waiting for you to dig them. I envy you most!