After watching VH1’s The Pick-up Artist, I decided to go back and take a look at the Mystery Method seduction model which Mystery created in the early days of the seduction community. One of the main facets of the Mystery Method is the use of routines or canned material as a tool for attracting women. One of things that I have been moving away from, along with the rest of the seduction community, is the reliance on routine based game. Most pick-up artists are now using what is called natural game.
Natural game is supposed to be the opposite of routine based game because you are not using scripted or memorized material. However, I’m not sure that this is really the case. I’ve thought a lot about the pros and cons of each strategy and have come to the conclusion that the two really are not that different.
Lately, I’ve been praising my own efforts for using natural game but have noticed that even though I use my own stuff, they are still routines.
When I first started doing a ton of approaches last year, I was basically a fumbling mess with a few instances of witty genius. But, through my own trial and error process, I subconsciously kept those witty lines that worked and tossed out the things that didn’t work. So, as I progressed, I was able to refine my character based on the things that have worked well in the past.
Have you ever observed a natural or a very charismatic person? If you hang around these types of people long enough, you’ll begin to notice that they have certain patterns, certain phrases and certain stories that they say again and again. It’s not that these people purposely wrote out these stories to use in social context, they simply just figured out what works and what doesn’t through their own trial and error. They are not so much naturals as they are pick-up artists with their own routines.
So, what is the point of this whole thing? There is something to be learned and that is that as much as we think using routines is cheesy, it is still a necessary aspect of attraction. The difference is that the material should be your own, so that it is congruent with your own personality.
What are your thoughts on using routines?
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I say, go with whatever works. I mean, unless you have serious bad luck (ie, her friend says, “OMG that’s what he said to me!”) or have used the routine a zillion times, the girl will never know. I’m sure some guy has used a routine on me in the past, and that he was successful. I doubt that discovering it was a routine would have even changed my mind, actually. I mean, unless he did it and it was successful to the point where he used me sexually. (Which is probably not the case, since I’m not really like that. )
So if he used a routine, and it worked, and i found out later it was all just a routine, i probably wouldn’t care. Unless it was just to get me naked.
The thing is,
1. i cannot get upset with a guy who is trying to talk to me, no matter the method. no matter how you look at it, it’s flattering.
2. once he’s done the hard work of approaching me and being successful at it, it’s really too late for me to be upset about it. i probably already like him. so whether it’s by trickery, honesty, a line or whatever — he’s already gotten the gold star in that department. he passed the test. he’s moved up a level, and so that stage of the relationship (pick up?) is done with. he doesn’t ever have to go back and try that part again.
besides, if he’s confident (stupid?) enough to walk up to me and throw some bullshit my way, even if i’m 100% aware of what he’s doing, it still takes balls to do that. i always give credit to balls. he might not get my number, but he can most definitely talk to me and try and convince me otherwise.
so whether it’s spur-of-the-moment or memorized, as long as it works, i say, don’t worry. if it works, it works. although it’s definitely more believable if it is aligned with your personality/interests/sense of humor, etc.
believable is good. balls are good. make me laugh, and you’ve got it made.
I had read DYD and a lot of other seduction community material before I ever heard of Mystery or his routines. When I read The Game, I couldn’t belive that there were guys who used the same lines over and over again.
I guess I can understand using routines if you have high social anxiety and can’t talk to people, but I think it’s easy for guys to get wrapped up in their routines and never really grasp what it means to have good conversation skills.
I agree with you completely. Even when you are being direct, more than likely you’re using the same opener or stories or whatever. No matter what approach you use some things are unavoidable. You will always have to open her, engage her and share information. After much practice, you learn what gets the best reaction. Its about calibration and knowing what is congruent with your personal style. Openers are attractive to ahem cough*newbies*cough because your so focused on getting over your approach anxiety that you can’t even deal with what you say. You’re trying to get comfortable and confident with your body language. I believe that after awhile, you will get comfortable in your own skin and the choice between direct and indirect is really just how you feel on proceeding.
Virginia,
Thanks for the very insightful comment. I always appreciate hearing a female opinion on these topics. That is how we learn. I agree with you that it is really about making the effort to talk to a women (having the balls) then whatever material a guy is using.
Chris,
One of the things that a lot of pick-up artists have been stressing lately is that canned material or routines that you get off the internet are really just the training wheels to help a person begin to interact with women. But eventually the training wheels need to come off and a guy needs to develop his own brand of identity. Thus the need to for natural type routines/interactions.
J.Rice,
Excellent summation of what I was trying to say, except I think you said it much better. Good stuff!
-Savage
I see some tendencies now in the community to think that guys who use routines are less cooler than natural game users. Maybe it’s true maybe not, I don’t know, but in my opinion as long as routines get the results that you want it’s ok, I don’t see the problem with using routines. And they are very useful for beginners.
As I know even Tyler and Jlaix from RSD, who now promotes straightforward natural game, were avid routines users…
Anyway, I think that anything that gets you rsults you want is good and useful.
Giacomo,
I’m definitely seeing that superiority towards natural game too, probably because it is a better way to go, but I do agree on the usefulness of routines. Like you say if it gets results than why not? The only thing to be careful of is turning into a social robot.
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